Obligatory Premarital Drug Tests For Non-Saudi Men Marrying Saudi Women

truck-drug-testPremarital Anti-Drug Test A Must For Expats Marrying Saudi Women
Gulf Digital News | Manama
8 October 2016

Expatriates wishing to marry Saudi women have to undergo a premarital test to ensure they do not take drugs. The new measure which took effect a few days ago makes it mandatory for foreigners to run the test before submitting their marriage applications.

Jeddah health premarital centre director Ali Al-Zahrani said results of the test would be announced within three days. The health authorities have exempted foreign women, who are married to Saudi nationals, from undergoing the test.

“The marriage application is rejected automatically in case the applicant tests positive”, Al-Zahrani said, adding that the test would also cover all types of narcotics and liquor. The authorities have reported no positive cases so far among the expatriates who applied to marry Saudi women.

The premarital test would also include Human Immunodeficiency Virus infection and Acquired Immune Deficiency syndrome (HIV/AIDS), hereditary diseases, hepatitiss B or C.

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Ministry Of Justice Surveys 160 Saudi Men Married To Non-Saudis

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Arab News | Jeddah
24 July 2016

Five percent of 160 marriages of Saudi men to foreign women in 2013 and 2014 were to domestic workers, says a Ministry of Justice survey.

The Civil Status Court in Jeddah witnesses the signing of a marriage contract between a domestic worker and her sponsor after the man obtains permission from the relevant bodies that allows him to marry the foreigner and the domestic worker gets authorization from her family to facilitate the marriage procedures, said sources.

The survey said of the 160 marriages, 90 were with Moroccan women, 30 with Indonesian women, 13 with Filipinas, 22 with Sri Lankan women and five with Tunisian women.

Ahmad Al-Mabi, member of the ministry’s governance committee, said marriage procedures are similar to those followed for marrying Saudi women: The man has to apply to the governorate, which in turn refers the application to the Interior Ministry; after the approval, it is sent to the Civil Status court, which oversees the signing of the contract.

He said domestics need authorization from their guardians through their consulates/embassies.

He said Saudis marry maids either because the wife is ill or neglects her husband, or because many women leave the running of the house to the maid, which gives them the chance to get closer to their sponsors.

Psychologist Hani Al-Ghamidi said when a man marries his domestic worker, people criticize him and the community rejects the idea, but if one looks at the situation from a humane point of view, a man marrying such a woman is perfectly normal.

He added that working women might not look after their husbands the way they should, while domestic workers who are always there, attract the attention of the men, which leads to such marriages.

Al-Ghamidi confirmed that there are many stories of illegal relations between domestics and sponsors, but there are no clear figures.

Photo Credit: Alarabiya

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Saudi Marriage Procedure Guidelines: Ministry Of Interior

14 March 2016 Update: I was informed by another FHWS reader whose Saudi confirmed with both the emarah and Ministry of Interior that the age requirement is set at the age of 35 but if the non-Saudi is a relative (2nd-3rd cousin) then the age is reduced to 30 years.

8 July 2014 Update: FHWS reader “ag09g” notified me of a discrepancy between the English-Arabic versions on the Ministry of Interior’s website in the qualifying age for Saudis marrying non-Saudis abroad and I also found that there was an omission of the category for Saudis marrying Moroccans on the Arabic version. Details are here.

1 July 2014 Update: The age requirement for Saudi men to apply for the marriage permission has been reduced from 35 years to 25 years except for marrying a Moroccan which was only decreased to 30 years of age. This alert of the new change was provided by FHWS reader, Julieta. I was not aware of it being announced by the Ministry of Interior through Saudi news agencies. Sometimes the only way we know that something has changed is to either go to the government website or inquire in person at either the Ministry of Interior or emarah. To verify details of the new procedures, you can go to the English page for Saudi Arabia – Ministry of Interior – Riyadh Principality.

19 June 2010 Update: Interior Ministry Launches Human Rights Website. Colonel Ibrahim Al-Men’ai, Supervisor of the Human Rights Department at the ministry, said the website will allow the public to send in their remarks and complaints about the performance of security personnel. Apart from this, Al-Men’ai said the department has devoted a toll free telephone number, 989, for members of the public to express their opinions or report those security officials who have broken the law. Another objective behind the service is to familiarize the public with services of the ministry. It also aims to ensure that the public is made aware that security officials are not above the law and that justice will take its course against those who abuse their powers.

The Ministry of Interior (MOI) classifies an emirate as “An MOI organisation which provides civil administration for a region of the Kingdom (Province). The number of these Emirates in the Kingdom is thirteen.”

The thirteen emirates are Riyadh, Makkah, Madinah, Eastern Province, Al-Jawf, Al-Baha, Al-Aseer, Al-Qasim, Al-Ha’il, Tabuk, Northern Borders Province, Jazan and Najran.

From the category list of 15 services and procedures that the MOI outline on their website, seven apply to the theme of FHWS:

A. For Those Wishing To Marry Foreign Females Residing In The Kingdom
B. For Those Wishing To Marry A Foreigner Born In The Kingdom
C. For Those Wishing To Marry From Abroad
D. For Saudi Women Wishing To Marry A Foreigner
E. For Those Wishing To Marry Cards Holders
F. The Condition Of Saudi Female Marriage From Foreigner Born In Saudi Arabia
G. For Those Wishing To Marry From Abroad (Morocco)

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 A. FOR THOSE WISHING TO MARRY FOREIGN FEMALES RESIDING IN THE KINGDOM

• Requests and inquiries are submitted every day except Thursdays and Fridays from 8:30 to 11:30.

1. The wife should be resident in Riyadh or any of its governorates.

2. The proposing person should not be less than 30 years old and not more than 70 years old.

3. Who has Saudi or foreign wife, he should present medical report about her from governmental hospital proving the disease like sterility, malformation, malignant disease, or the physician opinion about the pregnancy danger.

4. Job acknowledgment. If he is a public employee, the acknowledgment should be ratified from the commercial chamber or ratified paper from the mayor and the police confirming that there is no job.

5. Wife job acknowledgment if she works.

6. Bringing a copy of the ID card or the family card.

7. Personal photograph of the husband.

8. A copy of the divorce paper or death certificate for the part who has married before that.

9. A copy of the residence and a valid copy of the passport for the female intended to marry from.

10. Relations file.

11. Imprinted endorsement of approval from the wife = “I, … bent …. Agree on marrying ……. bin ………”. Also, the date, proofs number, and imprint are required.

Remarks:

• Kinship proof ratified from the general court if there is relation between them from the first class.
• The applicant should come personally and delegation is not accepted.
• Her guardian should come and confirm her approval and bring the wife to the women department in the principality.

B. FOR THOSE WISHING TO MARRY A FOREIGNER BORN IN THE KINGDOM

• Requests and inquiries are submitted every day except Thursdays and Fridays from 8:30 to 11:30.

1. The wife should be resident in Riyadh or any of its governorates.

2. The proposing person should not be less than 25 years old and the wife should not be less than 18 years old.

3. Who has Saudi or foreign wife, he should present medical report about her from governmental hospital proving the disease like sterility, malformation, malignant disease, or the physician opinion about the pregnancy danger.

4. Job acknowledgment. If he is a public employee, the acknowledgment should be ratified from the commercial chamber or ratified paper from the mayor and the police confirming that there is no job.

5. Bringing two copies of the ID.

6. Bringing one personal photograph.

7. A copy of the divorce paper or death certificate for the part who has married before that.

8. Two copies of the wife birth certificate including the certificate number and date. Delivery report or the witness is not accepted.

9. Two copies of the residence and two valid copies of the passport with the original of them.

10. Imprinted endorsement of approval from the wife = “I, … bent …. Agree on marrying ……. bin ………”. Also, the date, proofs number, and imprint are required.

11. Relations file.

Remarks:

• Kinship proof ratified from the general court if there is relation between them from the first class.
• The applicant should come personally and delegation is not accepted.
• Her guardian should come and confirm her approval and bring the wife to the women department in the principality.

C. FOR THOSE WISHING TO MARRY FROM ABROAD

• Requests and inquiries are submitted every day except Thursdays and Fridays from 8:30 to 11:30.

1. The husband should be resident in Riyadh or any of its governorates.

2. The proposing person should not be less than 25 years old and not more than 70 years old.

3. Who has Saudi or foreign wife, he should present medical report about her from governmental hospital proving the disease like sterility, malformation, malignant disease, or the physician opinion about the pregnancy danger.

4. Job acknowledgment. If he is a public employee, the acknowledgment should be ratified from the commercial chamber or ratified paper from the mayor and the police confirming that there is no job.

5. A copy of the ID and the family card.

6. A copy of the divorce paper or death certificate for the part who has married before that.

7. Relations file.

8. Personal photo for the husband.

Remarks:

• Kinship proof ratified from the general court if there is relation between them from the first class.
• The applicant should come personally and delegation is not accepted.

D. FOR SAUDI WOMEN WISHING TO MARRY A FOREIGNER

• Requests and inquiries are submitted every day except Thursdays and Fridays from 8:30 to 11:30.

1. The wife should be resident in Riyadh or any of its governorates.

2. The wife should not be less than 25 years old.

3. The husband job acknowledgment ratified from the commercial chamber.

4. The wife job acknowledgment ratified from the commercial chamber or ratified paper from the mayor and the police confirming that there is no job.

5. A copy of the wife ID or her father ID if she is added to him.

6. A copy of the divorce paper or death certificate for the one who has married before that.

7. A valid copy of the residence and the passport of the husband with their originals.

8. Personal photo for the husband.

9. Bringing relation file.

10. Imprinted endorsement of approval from the wife = “I, … bent …. Agree on marrying ……. bin ………”. Also, the date, proofs number, and imprint are required.

Remarks:

• Kinship proof ratified from the general court if there is relation between them from the first class.
• The applicant should come personally and delegation is not accepted.
• Her guardian should come and confirm her approval and bring the wife to the women department in the principality.

E. FOR THOSE WISHING TO MARRY CARDS HOLDERS

• Requests and inquiries are submitted every day except Thursdays and Fridays from 8:30 to 11:30.

1. The wife should be resident in Riyadh or any of its governorates.

2. The Saudi husband or the Saudi wife should not be less than 25 years old and the non-Saudi wife should not be less than 18 years old.

3. Job acknowledgment. If he is a public employee, the acknowledgment should be ratified from the commercial chamber or ratified paper from the mayor and the police confirming that there is no job.

4. Bring two copies of the husband and wife valid documents.

5. The wife job acknowledgment ratified from the commercial chamber or ratified paper from the mayor and the police confirming that there is no job.

6. Bringing two personal photos for the husband.

7. A copy of the divorce paper or death certificate for the part who has married before that.

8. Relation files.

9. Imprinted endorsement of approval from the wife = “I, … bent …. Agree on marrying ……. bin ………”. Also, the date, proofs number, and imprint are required.

Remarks:

• Kinship proof if there is relation between them from the first class ratified from the general court if the Saudi party is older than 21 years.
• The applicant should come personally and delegation is not accepted.
• Her guardian should come and confirm her approval.

F. THE CONDITION OF SAUDI FEMALE MARRIAGE FROM FOREIGNER BORN IN SAUDI ARABIA

• Requests and inquiries are submitted every day except Thursdays and Fridays from 8:30 to 11:30.

1. The wife should be resident in Riyadh or any of its governorates.

2. The wife should not be less than 21 years old.

3. The husband job acknowledgment ratified from the commercial chamber.

4. The wife job acknowledgment ratified from the commercial chamber or ratified paper from the mayor and the police confirming that there is no job.

5. Two copies of the wife ID or her father ID if she is added with him.

6. Two copies of the divorce paper or death certificate for the one who has married before that.

7. Two copies of the husband valid residence and the passport with their originals.

8. Two copies of the foreigner birth certificate.

9. Personal photo for the husband.

10. Bringing relation file.

11. Imprinted endorsement of approval from the wife = “I, … bent …. Agree on marrying ……. bin ………”. Also, the date, proofs number, and imprint are required.

Remarks:

• Kinship proof if there is relation between them from the first class ratified from the general court .
• The applicant should come personally and delegation is not accepted.
• Her guardian should come and confirm her approval.

G. FOR THOSE WISHING TO MARRY FROM ABROAD (MOROCCO)

• Requests and inquiries are submitted every day except Thursdays and Fridays from 8:30 to 11:30.

1. The husband should be resident in Riyadh or any of its governorates.

2. The applicant should not be less than 30 years old and not more than 70 days.

3. Who has Saudi or foreign wife, he should present medical report about her from governmental hospital proving the disease like sterility, malformation, malignant disease, or the physician opinion about the pregnancy danger.

Bring written approval ratified by the mayor and the police including the wife approval of his marriage.

4. Job acknowledgment. If he is a public employee, the acknowledgment should be ratified from the commercial chamber or ratified paper from the mayor and the police confirming that there is no job.

5. A copy of the ID and family card and a copy of the passport.

6. A copy of the death certificate or the divorce paper for the one who has married before that.

7. Relations file.

8. Personal photo for the husband.

9. Document from the police and the mayor showing the social status.

Remarks:

• Kinship proof if there is relation between them from the first class ratified from the general court if the proposing person is older than 31 years old .
• The applicant should come personally and delegation is not accepted.

Note: This post was originally published on 11 October 2008.

Expats Will Be Assigned A Mazoun For Marriage

photocreditarabnewsExpats Don’t Have To Marry In Court Now
Arab News | Riyadh
21 December 2015

The Ministry of Justice intends to assign a special mazoun (imam) to sign marriage contracts for non-Saudis at home.

Other marriage contract procedures will be canceled for non-Saudis in the courts of personal status to spare them of the trouble and to save the time of the judiciary, sources told a local publication.

Judicial sources explained that the procedures for marriage contracts are not in the jurisdiction of the judiciary in the first place.

The move coincides with the rise in the number of signed marriage contracts for non-Saudis.

In Hijri year 1436 (Oct. 25, 2014-Oct.14, 2015 in the Gregorian calendar), Riyadh recorded the highest number of signed marriage contracts with 1,044, about 4.7 percent of the total number of contracts signed in the capital. Al-Ahsa came second on the list with 267 contracts and Jazan with 242.

Justice Minister Waleed Al-Samani recently issued a decision to amend Article 10 of the regulations involving the Kingdom’s mazouns concerning the competence of courts to document marriage contracts for non-Saudis.

Photo Credit: Arab News

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Director General Of Passports: No Iqamah Fees For Non-Saudi Mothers

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21 November 2014 update: Someone I know personally went to the Passport Office to inquire about the new law for non-Saudi mothers. It is only for divorced and widowed non-Saudi mothers. Non-Saudi mothers who are still married to a Saudi cannot apply for an iqamah, their husbands must do it.

I think this is fabulous news however I have a few concerns. One issue that is not being discussed is whether ex-wife or widow is in possession of her marriage papers, divorce papers and birth certificates of her children in order to be eligible for this. Please ladies…make sure that you have all of the required papers because you never know what will happen. Allah forbid that the ex-husband or the deceased husband’s family try to keep the documentation away from you. Another issue I am questioning is whether the non-Saudi mother needs to prove her residence status is legal with an existing iqamah. What if she has no iqamah, can she still apply? What if the ex-husband or her deceased husband’s family takes her iqamah away and refuses to give it to her, can she still apply? Finally, my understanding is that the iqamah is not forever since details need to be updated every five years. So basically, whatever your marital status at the time of applying for another iqamah, you must prove whether you are re-married, divorced or widowed with the correct papers.

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No Iqama Fees For Expat Mothers Of Saudi Children
By Adnan Al-Shabrawi
Okaz/Saudi Gazette
Jeddah
13 November 2014

The Directorate General of Passports (Jawazat) has started receiving applications from expatriate mothers who have children with Saudi men to be issued with regular residence permits (iqamas) in accordance with a previous decision by the Council of Ministers.

Jawazat spokesman Lt. Col Ahmed Al-Lihaidan said the iqamas would be granted free of charge, without any need for a listed sponsor and for a validity of five years.

“According to the Cabinet decision, the regular iqamas will be issued to expatriate women with children from Saudi husbands whether they are still married, divorced or widowed,” he said.

The spokesman said the government will bear the iqama issuance fees but the woman has to prove that she is married to a Saudi man and has children with him.

Al-Lihaidan, however, did not explain what would happen to those with no children.

The spokesman said there is no age limit for the children of expatriate mothers wanting to be issued with regular iqamas.

“It is not a condition that the expatriate woman should be still married to her husband.

“Divorced and widowed women are also entitled to be given iqamas but will have to update their details every five years,” he said.

Under the decision of the Council of Ministers, non-Saudi women who are mothers of Saudi children will be given permanent iqamas in the Kingdom free of charge and without any sponsor.

According to the decision, these women can work for the private sector and will be considered as Saudi citizens in the Nitaqat program that enforces Saudization policies.

They will also be treated as full-fledged Saudi nationals in general education, universities and health services.

Photo Credit: Ministry Of Interior

Interview With Coco

photocredittheoslotimesNew entry by “Arch” on the MatchMaking forum. Email me for the password.

FHWS has a new look on Twitter.

Coco, you can’t live in Saudi Arabia with your Saudi without the marriage permission. It is against the law and has been done by others with great risk. I do not think you would want to get caught by the authorities nor do I think it is worth it in the long run. See the page, Do It Right (from the beginning). Nobody can say how long the permission takes, it is done when it is done. Some people wait a short amount of time and some wait a long time. Health insurance is obtained by a spouse through the company he works for. You are free to work if your husband gives you permission. If I remember correctly, the husband must sign paperwork allowing his wife to work. I’m not sure if all employers do this. You can lose all or partial rights over your children if the judge rules in favor of custody going to your husband. In this case, it is up to the husband whether you can have visitation…or not. Otherwise, non-Saudi women with children who are divorced or widowed, can remain in Saudi Arabia. But you must have a valid iqamah. You may or may not have to get married again after the permission is approved, it depends on if the marriage certificate is accepted and authenticated. I hope I have answered all of your questions sufficiently. Feel free to ask more in the comments section. Thanks for your submission!

Details on how to submit a personal story or interview.

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Your name, nickname or anonymous: Umm Ammar

Type or copy/paste your submission here: What is your nationality? Chilean

What country do you reside in presently? Chile

Are/were you married to a Saudi or non-Saudi? I am.

If you live/lived in Saudi Arabia, for how long? Not yet.

What is your job/hobbies in your country of residence? Swimming, dancing, traveling.

When and where did you meet your Saudi/non-Saudi husband? Australia, 2011, we were both students. I had a scholarship, he was by his own doing his Master’s. His roommate was my classmate.

How long did you know your husband before the marriage took place? 5 months.

How long did your marriage permission take? We are working on it.

Did his family accept his marriage to you? Why/Why not? Yes, even though I haven’t met them personally yet (just a few brothers in-law…not my parents in-law yet), we meet on Skype dates. They are sweet and sent us lots of presents. They are wishing and praying all the time to meet us soon.

Did your family accept your marriage to him? Why/Why not? Yes, they had lots of prejudices about chauvinistic men from the Middle East but after they met him and they understood about our relationship, everything went well.

How are your relations with your family/in-laws now after marrying your husband? As I said, good. I have contact with them on Skype, my sisters in-law specially, we exchange pictures and stories but we are waiting to reunite the whole family together in KSA.

What is your advice when a non-Saudi man/woman meets their potential/future Saudi in-laws? Its hard to say from my point of view.

Do/did you like living in Saudi Arabia? Please explain why you like/liked living in Saudi Arabia and why you don’t/didn’t: I haven’t been there yet.

What would you like to see improved in Saudi Arabia? Women being able to drive.

Do you think you should change anything about yourself in order to fit into Saudi society? I think I will need to.

What do you think about the abaya and is/was it a problem for you to wear it? Not a problem with strangers but I still found it weird with family (like brothers in-law or friends of my hubby).

Do you have children? One who is almost 2 years old.

Is your Saudi/non-Saudi husband involved in raising your children? Yes, he is but it has been complicated since most of the time we are far from each other. But at least we have good communication and we keep in touch about every single important thing in our son’s life.

Does your Saudi/non-Saudi husband help you with the house chores? He does when we are together.

What do you think non-Saudis should know about Saudi men/women? You MUST be open minded. Period.

Do/did you feel trapped in Saudi Arabia or do you feel comfortable living in the country? I am comfortable but I want to experience life in KSA as soon as I can.

Would you take Saudi citizenship? Why/why not? Mhmhm, can I work If I could? Then yes.

Do you think a non-Saudi man/woman can be happy in Saudi Arabia? I wish anybody can.

For non-Saudi women: Do you think you would be willing/able to live in Saudi Arabia alone? I don’t think so.

Do you think a non-Saudi woman would have any problems living alone in Saudi Arabia without a husband or her family? For sure. I don’t think it is a place where you can find much entertainment.

What advice would you give a non-Saudi considering marriage to a Saudi? Don’t even try it if there is a slight chance that you don’t love each other or if you think your relationship is weak.

You can use this space to write anything else you would like: I just wanted to tell you about how are we waiting for the marriage permission. My Saudi and I met in AU, as I said we were both students. I had n scholarship from my country and he was on his own. We met, we became friends, I knew the whole time that there was something else between us but I fought with the feeling until my farewell. Then I left Australia and he followed me to Chile. We got married but we planned to have a long distance relationship. In the meantime, he finished his studies and I got a job. Then I found out I was pregnant with our first child. So our relationship has been always like this. Since then, he travels to Chile every 4 months. We reunited this last December in Jordan and had a holiday together, met some in-laws there. But in one of our trips last year, we went to Argentina (there wasn’t an embassy in Chile at that moment. There is one now but it is still not working) and applied for the permission. We presented the birth certificate of our son. They asked for my Muslim certificate this January and now we are currently waiting for the certificate to be signed by them. I still can’t understand the process very well because its so hard. I wanted to move to KSA to meet my in-laws, share with them Ramadan but I see it so far away. So far, we are planning to move to Jordan while papers keep going through the embassy. My story is very special I know, but I have to say, even when everything looked against us (culture, time, location, marriage, child, in-laws) and even when I heard thousands of times how I should leave my Saudi and keep my life going without him, I still don’t regret anything. I just wish someone can give me a hand or tell me how my process can go. I have many questions. Can I live in KSA without the permission? Do I have rights without the permission in KSA? Health insurance? Can I work? How long will it take? Is it true that if I go there I will loose all the rights over my little boy? Do I have to marry again when I have the permission?

List the URL address of your website/blog here: elcafedecoco.blogspot.com

Do you want to be anonymous: Yes

If you do not want to be anonymous, give your name or a nickname: Coco

Are you a non-Saudi woman married to a Saudi man: Yes

Are you submitting a personal story or an interview: Personal story

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Nicola Asks About A Back-Dated Marriage Certificate For A Family Card

photocreditbellafaithdesignNicola,

I’m just as perplexed as you are. I have never heard of this procedure and neither has my husband. The usual procedure if married before the marriage permission is that you must get married again after it has been approved. This was our case. Then the new marriage certificate is authenticated by the U.S. State Department (assuming you’re American), Saudi Embassy and finally Ministry of Interior. Once you have an iqamah, your husband can go to the Ministry of Exterior and put you on the family card. As for how long it takes, the time varies as bureaucratic procedures in Saudi Arabia are rarely done on time or with a specified time limit. I would appreciate it if you can update FHWS on what exactly is a back-dated marriage certificate should your husband ever find out. 

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Name: Nicola

Submit a positive article or the link to a positive article related to non-Saudi/Saudi marriages: Dear Tara,

I would very much appreciate your input in this- we recently got with my husband our marriage permission (although we were married before it and we declared it).

I believe they told us that we have to take our permission to the marriage court and make a backdated marriage certificate in order to issue a family card. My husband shall enquire about this, but I am a little perplexed- what is this procedure? Is it necessary and why? How long does it take?

Thanks!